Chad Johnson speaks out ... 'Selfish is good'
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Tuesday, October 30, 2007
CINCINNATI — In the football gospel according to Chad Johnson, selfish is good — even if it rubs teammates the wrong way.
The Cincinnati Bengals' wide receiver broke seven days of silence on Tuesday in an interview with ESPN Radio's Stephen A. Smith.
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Johnson called himself an easy target for the club's 2-5 start and said he doesn't regret anything he's said or done this season, including the apparel he used on opening night of the season when he donned a yellow jacket promoting himself as a future Pro Football Hall of Famer.
The flamboyant wideout also said he's happy in Cincinnati and doesn't expect to be traded.
"Everybody loves to use that selfish word and make it a negative," Johnson said. "Man, it's very much so a positive.
"You've got to want it. You've got a different type of breed that plays this game. I'm a different type of breed and I approach it differently from everybody else. I'll let you know I want it, and I'm going to let you know I'm going to go get it. That might rub off the wrong way and put too much pressure on those around me. If they don't have any selfishness to 'em, then that's part of the reason why we are 2-5."
Head coach Marvin Lewis ripped the team for being selfish after its 34-13 Monday night home loss to New England on Oct. 1, and Johnson knows the message was aimed at him.
"Of course," Johnson said. "Who else are you going to point at? I'm the outgoing one. I'm the one who's celebrating. I'm the trash-talker. I'm the one that people love to call self-promoting.
"You know what I do? Every time I touch that field, I think about one thing — playing this game and having fun like you're in the schoolyard when you were a kid. That's what you see. Therefore, when coach Lewis says something about selfish, it's pointing back to me. My take on the word selfish? If you don't have any selfishness about you, you're not going to win at what you do. You've got to want it."
In the interview, Smith suggested Johnson is getting an unfair rap for the team's slow start and myriad problems, especially on defense. How's Johnson holding up with his feet held to the fire?
"I'm lovin' it," Johnson said. "I'm an easy target because of the way I play the game. I'm a very easy target when things aren't going right. I'm very lovable when things are going right, and I'm easy to hit when things are going wrong. I understand that. We're going to have our ups and downs as a team and right now we're down, and we're trying to find a way to pull ourselves out of this hole."
Johnson, who has 44 catches for 731 yards (16.8) and three TDs, refused to finger the Bengals' porous defense as the reason why the club is losing.
"We've just got to find a level of consistency in order to compete the way we want to — like we did in '05 (when the 11-5 Bengals reached the playoffs)," Johnson said. "We'll be fine on the other side of the ball. All I can do is focus on football. If we're 2-5, that means there are five games that we didn't score enough points to win."
What about the "Hall of Fame" jacket that he wrapped around his shoulders like a heavyweight prize fighter?
"When I put that yellow jacket on, that wasn't no joke," he said. "Ain't nothing funny about that. I will get there by any means necessary. A lot of people look at that and say, 'Oh, there he goes again.' No. I was just trying to say it in a nice way in a nice gesture. I might have said a couple of things where, you know what, I'm sorry. And when I walk off that stage (in Canton someday), I'll be sure to apologize again."
As a spokesman for Degree Antiperspirant & Deodorant, Johnson raises money for the "Feed the Children" organization when fans visit his Web site — www.trashtalk85.com.
What he won't fuel is trade talk ... and any speculation about embattled coach Marvin Lewis' future.
"This is a business," he said. "Randy (Moss) left Minnesota. T.O. (Terrell Owens) left San Francisco. They had issues. I have no issue where I am. I have none. I'm happy where I'm at. I'm happy I'm a big part of the reason why the Bengals are a contender.
"I don't feed into (speculation on Lewis' future). All I worry about is me and my offense. That's it."
Contact this reporter at (937) 225-2253 or cludwig@DaytonDailyNews.com
Comments
By mike cepluch
November 2, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this
all i have to say is BYE BYE MARVIN been nati fan for 30 yrs and this team is GREAT
By Alex
November 2, 2007 8:50 AM | Link to this
Not sure why everyone is so hung up on him having a good time while playing. I never saw it written into a rule book anywhere that all talented players need to “shut up and play”. Chad is about the only thing this team has left that keeps us coming to the games, the defense is plain awful, Marvin is a lousy game coach, and the running game with Rudi in the backfield is a joke. I go to about 4-5 games a year at PBS and you’ll never hear that stadium louder than when Chad busts a big play.
By Kevin Kemper
November 1, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this
You guys have zero clue what your talking about. Chad Johnson is part of the reason the Bengals are expected to do so much every year. He is a top 5 receiver and he shows it every Sunday. So the guy wants the ball and want to contribute, wouldn’t you rather have that then some guy who didn’t want the ball ever. There is no middle in the NFL either you want to make plays or you just want to be a role player you can’t be anything in between. I am Dayton’s biggest Bengal fan, they will come back!!!
By markeyh
November 1, 2007 4:21 AM | Link to this
You Guys should trade Chad to my favorite Team……..(depressed Dolfan)
I will take his selfish attitude in a second!
By Poyntless
November 1, 2007 1:27 AM | Link to this
I think that some of you guys are forgetting Chad is part of the reason we were in the playoffs two years ago.If we keep him he’ll be part of the reason again. Black, white what does it matter, my stepson wanted the #85 before he wanted the #9 jersey and we are white.He is who they look up to because he has fun.I’d rather have a guy like that, than some corncob up the butt superplayer, that doesn’t have fun and his off the field stuff is in the papers.Their are alot of players hurt this year.
By HARLEY91
October 31, 2007 4:45 PM | Link to this
did chad johnson even make the sixth grade ? evidently not ! selfishness is just what it is, selfish. so if all the bengals would be more selfish , they would be winners ? get rid of chad johnson and you might win three more games this year !
that is the opinion of a kid that was way overpaid and the money made him ignorant immediately
By Voice of Reason
October 31, 2007 4:32 PM | Link to this
Tony - The only Bullsh!t is the fact that you overlook everyone else who has received a free pass….Corey Dillon certainly did. He has the longest rap sheet of any player in the history of Cincinnati(spousal abuse, 11 arrests before age 17, selling crack cocaine, etc..). Where you aware of that? Of course not, you were too worried about fans rooting for a player who drank more than two beers and got into a car or someone who has overcome drug addiction that predated his time with the reds.
By Bengal_in_FL
October 31, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this
Chad is awesome. He’s like the Apollo Creed prizefighter of the NFL. He’s at the top of his game and this is just the way he rolls. His desire to be the best at what he does is evident as his acrobatic catches on the field. Hopefully more of the team plays on the same level to get the Bengals to the playoffs.
By Gregg
October 31, 2007 4:06 PM | Link to this
You guys are just upset cause the best receiver in Ohio plays in Cleveland now.
By tony
October 31, 2007 3:39 PM | Link to this
Hey RoN, why dont you be a “role model” for your kids? And by the way, Chad is an millionaire………….how much money do you make? Thought so…..another broke a*s playerhater
By TONY
October 31, 2007 3:35 PM | Link to this
Josh hamilton, ryan freel, Pete Rose, Marge Schott…………all free pass ………….get the hell out of here……………….One smoked crack and is still loved, one drove drunk TWICE and recieved a “dirty t-shirt” night(great role model), another gambled his life away,cheated on his wife with every woman in Cincinnati,raised a drug dealing son(great role model) and the other is a “cincinnati staple”……voice of reason? voice of BLL S&T
By boxter
October 31, 2007 3:27 PM | Link to this
He fits perfectly on this team. A collecive group of losers & finger pointers. He would rather score 3 TD’s and lose then score o TD’s and win. Cincinnati are blessed to have him and Griffey Jr. in the same city. Both are losers and only worried about thier records.
By Voice of Reason
October 31, 2007 3:16 PM | Link to this
Let’s see B. Lark - Chad Johnson jerseys are second only to Carson Palmer jerseys in Cincinnati, Tony Perez and Oscar Robertson both get warm receptions whenever they are at any local event, and everyone I know was excited when Ken Griffey came back home. I will state it again since you didn’t read it…. Adam Dunn, Jerry Narron, Eric Milton, Mike Brown, and Uncle Carl would all disagree with your assessment that white sports figures get a free pass in Cincinnati.
By Gerald
October 31, 2007 2:59 PM | Link to this
To Ron G of NC, I think CJ is a great role model. My kids have learned how to river dance, talk trash, and are awaiting their gold teeth. It’s all because of #85. Lay off the man, he is just having fun.
By SexyBROWNSfan
October 31, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this
You know, it’s really funny to watch how the Bengals begin to point fingers as soon as they start falling apart. When they were winning it was “all good” for Chad Johnson to strut his stuff and be “Mr.Big Shot” while performing his childish(yet still pretty funny) antics as he scored a touchdown. But now that the Bengals are down and out Chad Johnson is the “bad guy”! I think people need to shut up and let him play! O yeah…GO BROWNS!
By Ron G from NC
October 31, 2007 2:44 PM | Link to this
Chad is a not someone I want my kid to grow up watching. He is selfish and makes a fool out of himself. Shame on you Chad! If my kid ever starts playing like that in pee wee, I’m sure he’d be sitting the pine (and he’s not getting paid).
By TONY
October 31, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this
Chad’s antics dont take away from the game. That’s the biggest bunch of garbage i have EVER HEARD. The team is losing and lame geek like yourself are hooping on the “CHAD THE CANCER” bandwagon. You are just the lastest and greatest example of why talk radio works. They realize, dumb jerks like yourself “get off” taking shots at athletes who have more athletic ability in their a*s cheeks than you have in your whole body. Take that garbage back to “plesantville”. lame, unathletic jerk
By Teacher123 continued...
October 31, 2007 2:29 PM | Link to this
Chad needs to spend less time focusing on the hall of fame and more time thinking of what selfisness truly means it doesn’t mean your goal driven which he is “claiming” to be it means you put forth the well being of yourself before those around you and I agree is selfish and that is probably why the blame is aimed at him. Everyone has to work together for a single goal and that is reaching the BOWL. His antics take away from the true meaning of the game, why is winning not enough!
By Teacher123
October 31, 2007 2:20 PM | Link to this
No doubt about it Chad Johnson is one of the greats and has a bright future! His stats speak for themselves. The one thing that is missed is that football is a team effort. No one player makes a team win or loose Dan Marino is a perfect example of that. He held almost every record for a quarterback but never got a ring. So its not about what you do but what your team does that truly makes you a legend, it is one thing to be a leader but to surpass that and say being selfish is good. I think
By Bryan
October 31, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
If CJ is really selfish, how about stop letting the ground catch your dropped passes every week.
By gio
October 31, 2007 2:16 PM | Link to this
No problem w/ selfishness. What he doesn’t realize is that its more fun if your team wins than if you do great and the team wins nothing. Obviously, being in Cincy its hard to appreciate it since the bungles have won nothing.
By B. lark
October 31, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this
Chad johnson, Frank Robinson, Tony Perez, Ken Griffey Jr. and Oscar Robertson…………….and you wonder why Cincinnati is known as the redneck capital of the world. And none of these guys have smoked crack,gambled their life away or have been pulled over for driving while drunk. TYPICAL CINCINNATI
By RM
October 31, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this
Ocho will be in New england next year. He loves what they are doing there, eyes what Randy Moss has done and I am sure is telling himself “I could do that, better.” Its just the way he is. Did anyone notice how he went right up to Belichick?? Ocho heads to NE next year and then we’ll never hear the end of the Patriots.
By RM
October 31, 2007 1:00 PM | Link to this
Ocho will be in New england next year. He loves what they are doing there, eyes what Randy Moss has done and I am sure is telling himself “I could do that, better.” Its just the way he is. Did anyone notice how he went right up to Belichick?? Ocho heads to NE next year and then we’ll never hear the end of the Patriots.
By dat boi law
October 31, 2007 12:46 PM | Link to this
Point blank you cant be selfish for wanting the ball when you are as big a playmaker as he is. And his stats speak for themself so end of discussion on that. The antics come on.. leave it alone there were no complaints in the old days when people were dancing & I view it like this.. The defense gets paid to stop him, simple you dont want to see him dance, keep him out the endzone. I score on the best that football has to supposebly offer, im gone celebrate to its all in good fun, get over it.
By pittfan
October 31, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this
Go Steelers!
By get a clue
October 31, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this
Since when is selfish ever good? I think you do not get the point. When he states he is selfish that means he wants the ball everytime. In you comments, that means MJ was selfish along with a lot more sport stars. What primetime sports person does not want the ball. If his atics bother you then that is one thing but because a player is saying he wants the ball to win then something is wrong. I do not see a problem with any sports player saying they want it.
By Phillyboi
October 31, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this
All I have to say is I pray that Cincy cuts OCHO cuz we would love to see him in an EAGLES Jersey next year to help out our offense.
By Phillyboi
October 31, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
All I have to say is I pray that Cincy cuts OCHO cuz we would love to see him in an EAGLES Jersey next year to help out our offense.
By Phillyboi
October 31, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this
All I have to say is I pray that Cincy cuts OCHO cuz we would love to see him in an EAGLES Jersey next year to help out our offense.
By KLK
October 31, 2007 12:02 PM | Link to this
I’m not so sure about his semantics, but Chad seems to be one of the few Bengals who have a passion to win, and abhor losing.
I’m not so sure his seemingly self-agrandising style is the wisest way to go about it, but Chad seems to be one of the few Bengals who wants to be the best football player he can be.
Chad loves life. Loves the game of football. Loves the fans who cheer him on. If you completely rebuild the team keeping one current player, to me it’s a toss up between Chad & Carson.
By Voice of Reason
October 31, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this
Tony - Chad Johnson is one of the most popular athletes in Cincinnati. All around Cincinnati you can find 85 jerseys and just as many apologists for his behavior. One only needs to look at how much criticism Adam Dunn and Jerry Narron have received in this town to realize your depiction is without merit.
By Bkac to the Bungals
October 31, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this
Chad’s hard work ethic? He was just trying to make up for the embarassment of dropping 3 perfectly good passes thrown his way on Sunday.
By howard
October 31, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this
If you watch chad enough you’ll realize he isn’t going to take a hit like TJ down the middle he’ll drop the ball or not be in position to recieve the pass. Even when he catches the ball its usually along the sidelines where he quickly steps out of bounds rather then try to run and gain a few more yards. he is a prima Donna player. As I’ve stated on other forums the only quality players on the bengals are TJ and Carson. The rest of them would barly make 2nd string on any other team
By Topcat
October 31, 2007 10:51 AM | Link to this
I am a bills fan, and have seen chad johnson on quite a few occasions. while I do not adopt his declarations nor his antics, he seems to me to play hard in every game-has he ever been in trouble with the law, does he play on the woeful defense or special teams? I am usually unsympathetic to athletes that cry they are being singled out-but from afar it seems that Johnson may indeed be one that is-don’t the bengals have serious problems? isn’t his play one of the few positives?
By John
October 31, 2007 10:50 AM | Link to this
What a perfect example of what Paul said would be the condition of most prior to the second coming of Christ. “But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:For men will be lovers of themselves,lovers of money,boasters,proud, blasphemers,disobedient to parents,unthankful,unholy,unloving,slanderers,without self control,brutal,despisers of good,traitors,headstrong,haughty,lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God.” 2Timothy 3:1-4
By Jonah
October 31, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this
Hey GO BILLS - Chad is on target to lead the AFC in receiving for the FIFTH STRAIGHT YEAR, and is also on pace to lead the league for the second year in a row. No other receiver has ever led their conference for five straight years. I am sure the Hall will have no problem calling his number when he becomes elgible. After all, they hardly hesitated to induct Michael Irvin, who was involved in drug-related charges! Chad’s anticts keeping him out of the Hall? I don’t think so!
By Jonah
October 31, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this
I have no problem with Chad, his antics, or his comments. Selfish has a negative connotation, but in the NFL you have to want to be good, to perform well - if you call that selfish, then that is fine with me, so as long as that means you work your butt off in every practice, every game, and perform. Chad had some key drops against P’burgh, but I guarentee he is working doubly hard this week to fix that.
By Doco
October 31, 2007 10:28 AM | Link to this
Chad should be cheered for his work ethic, just like Freel and Hamilton are. I know self-promotion doesn’t play well here in the midwest, but I think we need to lighten up a bit. As for being selfish, every single professional athlete is selfish. The only way they make it is by looking in the mirror and saying how can I make MYself better. Brady wants to be the best quarterback ever. That’s as selfish as it gets. Chad is just honest enough to say it how it is.
By tony
October 31, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this
Only in Conservitive, backwater, stick in the mud Cincinnati would Chad Johnson be seen as a “selfish player”. these are the same people who openly root for Ryan “dui” Freel and Josh “you smoke crack don’t ya” Hamilton. i wonder what would happen if Chad was pulled over for an dui? What would happen if Chad was banned from football for smoking crack? It must be hard to be a self confident, loud mouth, rich black guy in Cincinnati.
By GO BILLS
October 31, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this
Chad Johnson is a joke and it’s gonna take a while for him to get voted into the Hall…first off, can you see any repected member of the Hall of Fame comittee voting in that self-promoting, SELFISH, ego maniac. Selfish is not a virtue, look at the NBA…Too bad Chad and his Selfish mind can enjoy going 2-6….I was wondering, when was the last time the Bengals beat the Bills? It’s been a while and I don’t think the outcome is gonna change this week. GO BILLS ladies…
By James Romer MD
October 31, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this
Chad johnson seems intelligent, articulate and extremely self confident. Selfish is the medias word, not his. He believes in himself and his abilities.He likes to have fun and pokes fun at himself, He has to be self confident in order to do so. Any man or woman who is to accomplish anything has to brlieve in their own abilities or they would never get started. If Audie Murphy or Sargent York hadnt believed in themselves they would have never approached the enemy.
By mikeh
October 31, 2007 9:18 AM | Link to this
It’s easy to talk about being selfish for personal goals, but Chad needs to learn from TJ how to be selfish against a defense in catching a ball over the middle, in a crowd and gaining yards after catch. He plays scared. His drops against the Steelers were critical. Carson’s frustration at route/read mistakes and hesitations are understandable…
By Jeremy
October 31, 2007 9:15 AM | Link to this
No, selfish isn’t good. Catching the ball on key 3rd down plays is good. Where you at 85? I didn’t see you at all last December when we needed a win, and I haven’t seen you since week 2 this year. You are not an elite receiver anymore, you are now 2 months from being 30 and on the downswing of your career. Oh, wait, I did see you commit the cardinal sin of a wide receiver (a false start) on Sunday.
By obrbob
October 31, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this
At this point in time, Chad just needs to take off the Ocho Cincho jersey, loose the gold teeth, shut up and play football. The distraction is not needed right now for Marvin to right this version of the Titanic. Chad could be one of the best…as could have TO. While I think the two have been marketly different in their respective apporaches to self promotion, Chad is on a slippery slope of going town the TO road. Chad, shut up and play. You can talk all you want in the playoffs.
By obrbob
October 31, 2007 8:53 AM | Link to this
At this point in time, Chad just needs to take off the Ocho Cincho jersey, loose the gold teeth, shut up and play football. The distraction is not needed right now for Marvin to right this version of the Titanic. Chad could be one of the best…as could have TO. While I think the two have been marketly different in their respective apporaches to self promotion, Chad is on a slippery slope of going town the TO road. Chad, shut up and play. You can talk all you want in the playoffs.
By Tim
October 31, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this
Chad needs to shut up and play. But I don’t blame him as much as I blame Marvin for letting everything get out of control. GOOD-BYE MARVIN.
By Eight and Eight Again
October 31, 2007 8:26 AM | Link to this
Chad is a great player and I am a huge Bengals fan BUT he talks way too much for me. I wish he would just shut up and play football. He also needs to stop dropping balls.
By Dickybird
October 31, 2007 7:49 AM | Link to this
Marvin’s problem is his defensive coor. He acts like he’s afraid to turn those guys loose.Play some man to man and we will see who’s doing their job and who’s not. This is all Marvin’s fault. If you’re the head coach then be the head coach. If the defense don’t start getting up on people, then the Bengals won’t win another game!
By Tony
October 31, 2007 7:14 AM | Link to this
He is a cancer. He’s is an idiot. He is a self absorbed prima donna like many of today’s wide receivers. He is also a very good (not great as demonstrated in his tendency to drop balls) receiver.
As much as people want to beat on Chad (including me), Marvin and Mike Brown, the plan fact is that this is a very competitive league with little margin for error and when a large part of your defense does not even play due to injury, you are not going to win a lot of games.
By Sean
October 31, 2007 3:39 AM | Link to this
How can anyone say that Chad Johnson makes too much money? Look at the revenue he generates for his employer. When 60000 people in cities all over america start paying $60 + to watch mechanics and garbage men do their job then those jobs should make the $ that Chad Johnson makes. Its the beauty of capitalism!
By bill lee
October 31, 2007 1:24 AM | Link to this
the problem is marvin not stopping chad years ago. picking soft and no tackling defencise players.marvin is not a nfl coach he not a good x and o coach i have no idea what he trying to do on defence his scheme is no good.also having mike brown as general manager also is the problem.
By who cares
October 30, 2007 11:20 PM | Link to this
Who cares? All players make TOO much$$$! The players earning their $$$are winning. The players losing…..just want the$$$ and that’s it. Selfish…greed….WHATEVER! Seems like the majority of the Bungals are there to collect the$$$ and then go home.Some want the spotlight and forget about winning. College…go Pro…collect the$$$…play and win or be cocky, be a trouble maker and then later on….WORK for a living!
By Jerry
October 30, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this
The Ben-GALS are a bunch of loosers,always have been and always will be.One winning season was with the easiest schudule ever in the history of the NFL,Plus the ugliest Halloween uniforms of all time.
By Jerry
October 30, 2007 10:47 PM | Link to this
The Ben-GALS are a bunch of loosers,always have been and always will be.One winning season was with the easiest schudule ever in the history of the NFL,Plus the ugliest Halloween uniforms of all time.
By Troy
October 30, 2007 9:48 PM | Link to this
I have NO problem with CJ 85#! There are alot of problems on this Bengals team and to say its his fault is unfair.
By Dan
October 30, 2007 9:45 PM | Link to this
Look at the Patriots over the last 6 years. How many selfish players do they have, who want all the attention on themselves? How successful have they been as a TEAM. End of discussion.
By Shawn
October 30, 2007 9:04 PM | Link to this
I have no problem with Chad acting like he does. At least he’s not on drugs or alcohol or beating his wife. He just loves the game.
By Mike W
October 30, 2007 8:10 PM | Link to this
When’s selfish bad? How about when your team’s AHEAD in your 1st playoff game in 15 years but your star QB is out with his knee blown out & Chad’s in the locker room yelling he’s not getting the ball enough! How about on national TV when your team’s trailing, Chad’s showboating by yelling at his QB to let the world know that Carson, not Chad, made a mistake that led to an INT. Chad may be a star, but he’s way too selfish, immature & unprofessional, mirroring the general attitude of the Bengals.
By Lee
October 30, 2007 7:23 PM | Link to this
Pervin, Carson Palmer himself said that you have to have a degree of selfishness to play in this league…is it okay if he says it instead of Chad?
Just an observation….
By JC
October 30, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this
Chad’s “selfishness is good” does not surprise me at all. It comes from Marvin’s “greed is good” philosophy that he brought to this team. Guys strive to become good players out of a selfish motive of greed, and for a while it appears that they are all on the same page. Unfortuantely, as we have seen when it reaches to a certain point you are asking for trouble. On and off the field. Marvin has to change the entire philosophy for their to be any hope.
By bill
October 30, 2007 6:52 PM | Link to this
Chad’s great. Cincinnati doesn’t realize what it has.
By pervin
October 30, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this
Since when is selfish ever good? It is not good in any aspect of life let alone within a team sport. So….not only has Chad Johnson admitted he is selfish, which ought to win over his team mates, but he has shown the sports world what an idiot he is by saying “selfish is good”. I do agree with Chad and I too think it is ironic though how all the Bengal fans thought Chad’s antics were cute when the team was winning, but now that the team is losing he needs to go.